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# How Peer-to-Peer Apps Stay Free Forever (Holepunch Interview)
- URL: https://techlore.tech/how-peer-to-peer-apps-stay-free-forever-holepunch-interview/
- Published: 2026-01-31T17:00:52.000Z
- Updated: 2026-04-09T18:46:03.000Z
- Description: Techlore Talks brings you in-depth conversations with the experts at the forefront of digital rights, privacy and security.
- Author: Henry Fisher
- Tags: Techlore Talks

Peer-to-peer networks have no servers—just devices talking directly to each other. Henry interviewed Mathias Buus Madsen, CEO of Holepunch, about how BitTorrent handled 40 million users without servers, why their messenger Keet can't go down even when usage spikes, their new P2P password manager, and how P2P apps are more energy efficient than data centers.

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#### Episode Timestamps

00:00:00 INTRO  
00:01:25 WHAT IS PEER-TO-PEER (P2P)?  
00:03:16 BENEFITS OF P2P  
00:05:38 GETTING STARTED IN P2P  
00:08:43 NEGATIVE P2P ASSOCIATIONS  
00:14:13 P2P CENSORSHIP RESISTANCE  
00:17:14 P2P SAFETY  
00:21:29 KEET (P2P MESSENGER)  
00:26:21 OPEN SOURCE?  
00:27:12 BEING SERVERLESS  
00:31:04 OPEN SOURCE VS. CLOSED SOURCE  
00:34:05 ARE UPDATES P2P?  
00:34:33 IS THERE AN APK?  
00:35:37 BACKGROUND SYNC  
00:39:27 WHAT ELSE DOES HOLEPUNCH WORK ON?  
00:42:04 MORE INFO ON THE STACK  
00:45:00 FUNDING + TETHER  
00:48:09 P2P PASSWORD MANAGER?  
00:54:48 AUDITS  
00:55:57 AVAILABLE ON LINUX?  
00:58:33 CENTRALIZED/HYBRID P2P?  
01:01:49 P2P DOWNSIDES?  
01:05:01 APPLE FINDMY NETWORK  
01:07:16 ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT  
01:11:48 SERVICE DOWNTIME  
01:12:52 HOW TO FOLLOW  
01:13:59 OUTRO

#### Episode Sources

• Holepunch: https://holepunch.to/  
• Keet Messenger: https://keet.io  
• Pears: https://pears.com  
• Pear Pass: https://pass.pears.com