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# Telecom Insider Explains What Your Carrier Actually Sees (Cape Interview)
- URL: https://techlore.tech/telecom-insider-explains-what-your-carrier-actually-sees-cape-interview/
- Published: 2026-03-29T02:00:55.000Z
- Updated: 2026-04-09T19:14:53.000Z
- Description: Techlore Talks brings you in-depth conversations with the experts at the forefront of digital rights, privacy and security.
- Author: Tori
- Tags: Techlore Talks

Most people think turning off location services protects them from being tracked. It doesn't. In this interview, David Dunn from privacy-focused cellular provider Cape breaks down what carriers actually collect, how threats like IMSI catchers and SIM swaps work, and how Cape is building a mobile network specifically designed to minimize that exposure.

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#### Episode Timestamps

00:00:00 INTRO  
00:01:01 WHAT CELLULAR CARRIERS SEE  
00:02:50 THE CONCERNS  
00:04:08 ABUSE OF DATA  
00:05:28 LTT SIM SWAP ATTACK  
00:06:33 PHONE CALL BEHIND-THE-SCENES  
00:12:24 CELL TOWER TRIANGULATION & GEOFENCING  
00:15:32 LOCATION SERVICES  
00:16:25 CALL DATA & SMS RECORDS  
00:19:24 SMS VS. EMAIL SECURITY  
00:20:23 SIM SWAPPING + IMSI CATCHERS  
00:24:09 CELL TOWER TRIANGULATION + GEOFENCING SOLUTIONS  
00:26:38 CALL DATA RECORD + SMS SOLUTIONS  
00:28:48 WI-FI CALLING  
00:30:54 SS7 SIGNALING ATTACK PROTECTION  
00:32:25 4G VS. 5G PRIVACY  
00:36:34 USER AGENTS + CUSTOM ROMS  
00:42:15 DEVICE PROTECTION  
00:46:06 CAPE'S APPROACH  
00:55:01 MOBILE CORE  
00:59:18 CDR DELETION  
01:00:06 IMSI ROTATION  
01:00:52 OTHER USER CONFIGURABLE OPTIONS  
01:04:05 PHONE NUMBER REPUTATION  
01:05:29 ISSUES WITH PRIVACY TOOLS  
01:08:22 OBSCURA  
01:10:48 REGISTRATION  
01:13:04 TRUST & VERIFICATION  
01:15:37 COMPATIBILITY  
01:17:33 AVAILABILITY  
01:17:54 ROAMING  
01:18:36 LAW ENFORCEMENT REQUESTS  
01:21:15 PALANTIR  
01:23:25 PROTON PARTNERSHIP  
01:25:05 WHO IS CAPE FOR?  
01:26:43 TELL US SOMETHING SHOCKING  
01:29:28 OUTRO

#### Episode Sources

• Cape: https://www.cape.co  
• Cape + Proton collab: https://www.cape.co/cape-and-proton